As some of you know, I go to IHOP (International. House. Of. Prayer.) and being a part of IHOP I've been tested and told things about it. Like its a "cult"- "Julie Meyer is a false prophet" and so forth. Now I know some of you don't believe in some of the things of the Spirit but, here is a conversation I wanted to share.
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Hey!
I might be going to IHOP's (International House of Prayer) high school conference FASCINATE this summer, and I was just wondering if any rebelutionaries were going?
I was thinking of turning the trip to the conference into a ministry idea and car pooling from Orlando Florida, with some high schoolers that would like to go and with chaperons of course, to Kansas City for the conference ... but that is still up in the air at this point.
If you don't know what IHOP is, here is a link: http://www.ihop.org/ (IHOP is awesome, by the way.)
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Kassie,
I felt that I should post this - while I sincerely hope I do not offend you, I must defend the gospel.
Please watch this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgXb7yIlDNc
I know the content of what Mr. Friel says in the video is true! This is not a movement that we as Rebelutionaries should be involved in! I would beg anyone reading this, please do not attend an International House of Prayer meeting! While prayer is wonderful, the teachings in this movement are unbiblical.
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This is me...
I watched the video. I've heard this for awhile, and I have done my research but, I was wondering how it is unbiblical?
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The IHOP movement is unbiblical in many ways, one of those ways being their worship serivces. In the worship serivces there is a lot of repetition, which is part of the new-age mysticism movement. In one video I watched of an IHOP meeting the people there repeated one line in a song for two hours, in another instance I heard of a young man was told by an IHOP leader to repeat a scripture over and over for 2 hours - or until he "recieved Revelation from God". Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us to act this way.
There have been many, many reports of young people leaving an IHOP conference and not remembering what they had just seen because they felt they were in a "state of hypnosis". This is caused by repetitive, hypnotic sounds which can induce trance-like states by focusing the brain’s attention on a minimal set of sensory inputs.
Just because the words to the songs are about Jesus does not mean that they are okay! (See 1 Peter 5:8, 1 Corinthians 14:15 and Galatians 5:22-23)
Another instance is the common "jerking, twitching, and lack of sanity" that comes over many of the IHOP leaders as they pray. This was the description one young lady shared when she came back from an IHOP conference. We know that a lack of sanity or being unable to control ourselves is not of God! The Bible tells us in many passages that God commands us to be sober, and the dictionary tells us that definition of that word is not only free from alochol and drugs, but also being self-restrained and rational.
One girl emailed me and asked (as response to my previous post) "How can prayer be "wonderful" and right when the teaching is wrong?"
The answer to this is that when a man tells us how we must pray then it is unbiblical.
A young woman (we'll call her Alice) graduated high school and decided to go into the IHOP ministry as an intern, little did she know what she was getting into. She spent several months living at the IHOP "ministry" to learn under the leaders. She recalls spending hours and hours in the prayer room, yet for the entire time she was there she never once talked to God from her heart. While she was in the prayer room she was required to pray certain prayers (There's Catholocism mixed into this movement too) and fill out worksheets. They were requred to stay in the prayer room for 2 hours - no exceptions for any reason. She said there were leaders who always stood like guards blocking the door preventing any of the interns from leaving. There were many mentally damaging things that happened to this young lady, when she left she had expected to be on fire for God and rejoicing in Him. Instead she left in a state of serious depression and the only thing she wanted to do was warn others of the extreme danger of this movement.
I could go on - but I think I've provided enough evidence that this movement is unbiblical. So, I hope someone who reads this can agree with me that the only "IHOP" we should be attending is the International House Of Pancakes.
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A friend to help...
________, I am guessing that Kassie has talked to her parents, and they've probably decided that this is okay. There is different denominations in the church of God...Baptist, Protestant, Presbyterian, Assemblies of God, Carasmatic, and so forth. This could be jsut another denomination. My church does no do that long of worship liek that, BUT we do have worship sometimes where there are repeated lines....it's a crying plea, or a uplifting praise. The jerking and twisting are manifestations of the Holy Spirit, kind of like praying in tongues. I'm not exactly sure what your church believes on this, but I think that there are definate physical characteriscs that happen, like the jerking and twisting.
I'm not saying any of this confrontationally, but you need to make sure that you go on all grounds before you tell someone that something is evil!
If you have any questions, I'm not an expert but I'm able to answer some. PM ME!!!
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The other girl's reply....
Britt, I'm really not trying to be confrontational, but I'm just wondering why you think that jerking and twisting are signs of the Holy Spirit? As far as I can see in the Bible when people are unable to control their bodies it is caused demon possession, not the Holy Spirit. The Bible calls us to be sober.
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MY REPLY...
All I say is this... on the day of Pentecost what do you believe happened? Because a lot more crazy things happened there then anything that has happened at IHOP. I know lots of people personaly that have gone to IHOP and I've seen them before they've gone, and when they came back. And they were more on fire when they came back... then when they went! I've seen the fruits of this "movement". God does call us to be self controlled to a extent but, when David danced for God and all his clothes fell off. God did not rebuke Him but, rebuke His wife! The holy spirit is apart of God, you cannot control God! John the baptist said in Mattew:
"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Matthew 3:11
IN Acts Jesus says:
4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5
You can't shake fire off. The only way to get it off is by putting it out... but if you put fire out, then its out! God comes as a flame and that is simply what the spirit is and I don't want that flame to go out because if it does you will lose it!
When God said for us to be sober he meant for us to not get so (overly) zealous for God that we start slashing peoples ears off, like Peter. Or yell at them to become Christians... A lot of the time we get overly zealous, frustrated, legalistic, etc. with people. So Him wanting us to be sober, is really a warning for us to not push people around or make them feel guilty so they will except Christ! He was not warning us against His spirit! ~~~~~~~~~~~
Now everyone before you point fingers here, I been on both sides so....
Just thought I would share... Kassie
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Hey!
I might be going to IHOP's (International House of Prayer) high school conference FASCINATE this summer, and I was just wondering if any rebelutionaries were going?
I was thinking of turning the trip to the conference into a ministry idea and car pooling from Orlando Florida, with some high schoolers that would like to go and with chaperons of course, to Kansas City for the conference ... but that is still up in the air at this point.
If you don't know what IHOP is, here is a link: http://www.ihop.org/ (IHOP is awesome, by the way.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kassie,
I felt that I should post this - while I sincerely hope I do not offend you, I must defend the gospel.
Please watch this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgXb7yIlDNc
I know the content of what Mr. Friel says in the video is true! This is not a movement that we as Rebelutionaries should be involved in! I would beg anyone reading this, please do not attend an International House of Prayer meeting! While prayer is wonderful, the teachings in this movement are unbiblical.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is me...
I watched the video. I've heard this for awhile, and I have done my research but, I was wondering how it is unbiblical?
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| The other girl... Kassie Burke wrote: |
| I watched the video. I've heard this for awhile, and I have done my research but, I was wondering how it is unbiblical? |
The IHOP movement is unbiblical in many ways, one of those ways being their worship serivces. In the worship serivces there is a lot of repetition, which is part of the new-age mysticism movement. In one video I watched of an IHOP meeting the people there repeated one line in a song for two hours, in another instance I heard of a young man was told by an IHOP leader to repeat a scripture over and over for 2 hours - or until he "recieved Revelation from God". Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us to act this way.
There have been many, many reports of young people leaving an IHOP conference and not remembering what they had just seen because they felt they were in a "state of hypnosis". This is caused by repetitive, hypnotic sounds which can induce trance-like states by focusing the brain’s attention on a minimal set of sensory inputs.
Just because the words to the songs are about Jesus does not mean that they are okay! (See 1 Peter 5:8, 1 Corinthians 14:15 and Galatians 5:22-23)
Another instance is the common "jerking, twitching, and lack of sanity" that comes over many of the IHOP leaders as they pray. This was the description one young lady shared when she came back from an IHOP conference. We know that a lack of sanity or being unable to control ourselves is not of God! The Bible tells us in many passages that God commands us to be sober, and the dictionary tells us that definition of that word is not only free from alochol and drugs, but also being self-restrained and rational.
One girl emailed me and asked (as response to my previous post) "How can prayer be "wonderful" and right when the teaching is wrong?"
The answer to this is that when a man tells us how we must pray then it is unbiblical.
A young woman (we'll call her Alice) graduated high school and decided to go into the IHOP ministry as an intern, little did she know what she was getting into. She spent several months living at the IHOP "ministry" to learn under the leaders. She recalls spending hours and hours in the prayer room, yet for the entire time she was there she never once talked to God from her heart. While she was in the prayer room she was required to pray certain prayers (There's Catholocism mixed into this movement too) and fill out worksheets. They were requred to stay in the prayer room for 2 hours - no exceptions for any reason. She said there were leaders who always stood like guards blocking the door preventing any of the interns from leaving. There were many mentally damaging things that happened to this young lady, when she left she had expected to be on fire for God and rejoicing in Him. Instead she left in a state of serious depression and the only thing she wanted to do was warn others of the extreme danger of this movement.
I could go on - but I think I've provided enough evidence that this movement is unbiblical. So, I hope someone who reads this can agree with me that the only "IHOP" we should be attending is the International House Of Pancakes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A friend to help...
________, I am guessing that Kassie has talked to her parents, and they've probably decided that this is okay. There is different denominations in the church of God...Baptist, Protestant, Presbyterian, Assemblies of God, Carasmatic, and so forth. This could be jsut another denomination. My church does no do that long of worship liek that, BUT we do have worship sometimes where there are repeated lines....it's a crying plea, or a uplifting praise. The jerking and twisting are manifestations of the Holy Spirit, kind of like praying in tongues. I'm not exactly sure what your church believes on this, but I think that there are definate physical characteriscs that happen, like the jerking and twisting.
I'm not saying any of this confrontationally, but you need to make sure that you go on all grounds before you tell someone that something is evil!
If you have any questions, I'm not an expert but I'm able to answer some. PM ME!!!
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The other girl's reply....
| Quote: |
| The jerking and twisting are manifestations of the Holy Spirit, kind of like praying in tongues. I'm not exactly sure what your church believes on this, but I think that there are definate physical characteriscs that happen, like the jerking and twisting. |
Britt, I'm really not trying to be confrontational, but I'm just wondering why you think that jerking and twisting are signs of the Holy Spirit? As far as I can see in the Bible when people are unable to control their bodies it is caused demon possession, not the Holy Spirit. The Bible calls us to be sober.
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MY REPLY...
All I say is this... on the day of Pentecost what do you believe happened? Because a lot more crazy things happened there then anything that has happened at IHOP. I know lots of people personaly that have gone to IHOP and I've seen them before they've gone, and when they came back. And they were more on fire when they came back... then when they went! I've seen the fruits of this "movement". God does call us to be self controlled to a extent but, when David danced for God and all his clothes fell off. God did not rebuke Him but, rebuke His wife! The holy spirit is apart of God, you cannot control God! John the baptist said in Mattew:
"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Matthew 3:11
IN Acts Jesus says:
4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5
You can't shake fire off. The only way to get it off is by putting it out... but if you put fire out, then its out! God comes as a flame and that is simply what the spirit is and I don't want that flame to go out because if it does you will lose it!
When God said for us to be sober he meant for us to not get so (overly) zealous for God that we start slashing peoples ears off, like Peter. Or yell at them to become Christians... A lot of the time we get overly zealous, frustrated, legalistic, etc. with people. So Him wanting us to be sober, is really a warning for us to not push people around or make them feel guilty so they will except Christ! He was not warning us against His spirit! ~~~~~~~~~~~
Now everyone before you point fingers here, I been on both sides so....
Just thought I would share... Kassie
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